and perhaps we won't view immigrants so hostilely when we actually need them here contributing to our economy. so i'm confident that with this sort of renewed effort on both sides of the aisle to work out something that is doable, that will have the proper enforcement mechanisms but the proper pathway for people to come in out of the shadows and be fully participating members of our society, i'm very confident that we can get there. i really for the first time in the ten years that i have served in congress, really see this as a very real possibility. >> yeah. my concern is -- i agree with everything you said in terms of economics and social issues, fine. my concern is a government that cannot enforce its laws begins to crumble, and our failure to have an honest, open, progressive immigration policy has been a disaster, and it's not good for the future of our government that it can't do the job of enforcing its own borders, which is essential to any country on this planet. stephanie, last thought. are we going to do this this time? >> well, chris, we have to try. i think there's a reason why